The Debate Begins

By Christopher Hansen

An individual calling himself “Chris” has apparently decided to debate me. I will post this debate right here on the front page of Independent American News.

At first “Chris” wanted to see me go to prison then changed his mind and wants the IRS to come and collect all the money I “owe” for allegedly not paying income tax. Although I pay every cent I owe, for some reason he believes I owe more. Therefore I have decided to allow him to prove I owe more than what I pay.

Chris Says:
November 21st, 2009 at 11:46 pm

Resorting to belittling and calling names. Very Christian of you. Don’t worry, I’ll pray for you.

What does me defining what a dollar is, have to do with the setting sun? Keep looking for loopholes through technicalities… it ain’t gonna round up the cattle.

Your tinfoil hat couldn’t fit any better.

You babe, not me, are the one making claims. It is for you to make proof… not me. Oh yeah, you said you would start. Feel free .. come on in the water is warm.

If you are as wise as you claim.. take advantage.. prove to all… your little flies of this country and you will reap a fortune.

Go for it big guy.

My answer and question are:

Christopher Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:17 am

I belittle ignorance. I make no apologies for it. You want me to be a slave to the government. I will pray for you.

Toleration of voluntary slavery coupled with ignorance is why we have become a nation of slaves. I oppose tyranny in all its forms but against voluntary slavery I am adamant about its evils. Through your ignorance you have embraced this ultimate evil.

I take it this is your first question in the debate:

“What does me defining what a dollar is, have to do with the setting sun?”

FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover said: “The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.”

You are obviously so handicapped. Let me try to expose the truth to you. Then you can attempt to answer my single question.

No American can accurately determine how much “income” they have if they do not know what monetary measurement unit to use in that calculation? They cannot. They cannot know how much “taxable income” they have either.

If you were a contractor and I wanted to hired you to build a house 25 measurements by 45 measurements by 18 measurements and wanted you to give me a firm bid on the price you could not do it because you do not know what a “measurement” is. You would demand to know if it was an inch or a foot or a meter or a cubit or a defined unit of measurement I was using in my calculations. Without such a defined measurement you could not give an accurate bid. The house could be smaller than a bread box to larger than the world itself.

The “dollar” is a measurement unit. It measures the amount of “value” of your labor, property, income, expenses, etc. If you do not know what the Congressionally established “value” of a dollar is then you cannot know or calculate the “value” of anything.

Congress has not declared that Federal Reserve Notes are “dollars.” They have declared the gold and silver coins they authorized in 31 USC 5112 to have their “value” on the coins themselves. These coins are currently being minted and are currently in circulation. The problem with this is that 5 one ounce U.S. legal tender silver dollars has a different value than 1 $5.00 U.S. legal tender gold coin.

50 silver “dollars” will not buy a $50.00 currently minted U.S. legal tender gold coin. Neither will a $50.00 Federal Reserve Note. So we cannot know which one is the “required” measurement unit that is “required” by law to use in the calculations.

A currently minted $50.00 U.S legal tender gold coin can be exchanged for approximately 1200 face value Federal Reserve Notes. A $20 Federal Reserve Note can be purchased for a “ONE DOLLAR” currently minted U.S. legal tender coin. This means that the measurement units to determine “value” have no established value. The original U.S. legal tender U.S. minted dollar was determined by Congress to be 371.25 grains of silver. That was the value of the U.S. dollar. This allowed for the Spanish milled “dollar” to be legal tender right along side the U.S. coin. In fact the U.S. Spanish milled “dollar” or “pieces of eight” was also a measurement unit.

We no longer have a “dollar” standard.

What we do know is that Federal Reserve Notes are not dollars. They are Legal Tender but so is a penny. A penny is not a dollar.

I have three letters from government officials. A letter from Senator Ensign. A letter from the Department of the Treasury. And a letter from Assemblyman Bob Beers their definitions. I have many more sources but they all say the same thing. Federal Reserve notes are not dollars.

The letter from the Treasury Department states:

“Federal Reserve notes are not dollars.”

Nevada Assemblyman Bob Beers’ letter states:

“No statute defines – or ever has defined – the ‘one dollar’ Federal Reserve Note ‘FRN’ as the ‘dollar,’ or even as a species of ‘dollar.’”

And Senator Ensign’s office’s letter quoted from Ballentines Law Dictionary, 3rd Edition (1969) and then repeated as a quote from American Jurisprudence, Volume 36, A§ 8. Promissory notes cannot be “dollars” and Federal reserve notes are “effectively non-interest-bearing promissory notes…” (See page three of Senator Ensign’s letter on page two of the definition section.) As stated in the letter in the section provided to the Senator from the Congressional Research Service:

American Jurisprudence, Volume 36, A§ 8 [T]he term “dollar” means money, since it is the unit of money in this country, and in the absence of qualifying words, it cannot mean promissory notes or bonds or other evidences of debt. The term also refers to specific coins of the value of one dollar. (27 Ohio Jur pp . 125, 126, A§ 3), (United States v. Van Auken, 96 US 366, 24 L ed 852)

Black’s Law, Second Pocket Edition (1996)
Federal reserve note. The paper currency in circulation in the United States. The notes are issued by the Federal Reserve Banks, are effectively non-interest-bearing promissory notes payable to bearer on demand, and are issued in denominations of $1, $5, $10, $20, $50, $100, $500, $1,000, $5,000, and $10,000.

Therefore, Federal Reserve Notes are not dollars and so cannot be legitimately used in the calculations of any possible income tax as filed on a 1040 from because the monetary measurement unit “dollar” is vague.

“. . . a statute which either forbids or requires the doing of an act in terms so vague that men of common intelligence must necessarily guess at its meaning and differ as to its application, violates the first essential of due process of law.” Connally v. General Construction Co., 269 U.S. 385, 391.

Therefore the reason why “defining what a dollar is, [has] to do with the setting sun?” is because if you do not have a monetary measurement unit with a Congressional definition prescribed by law then no American can calculate their “income” or any other thing of value.

I now await your answer to the following question:

What is the “fair market value” of a $100 Federal Reserve Note as calculated in either gold U.S. legal tender coins or silver U.S. legal tender coins?